I remember a soldier in the Iraq (?) war that was investigated, charged, found guilty and imprisoned for helping a mortally wounded enemy combatant to “shuffle of this mortal coil” ... he was a professional, should have known better and hadn’t, so far as i know, sworn to not kill anyone.
I find it interesting if a soldier does it, they get charged, but if a nurse does it in a care home to the elderly, it's par for the course and most of the public seem to ignore it.
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'Dave' @drfrocesters replies read as if generated by a bot or AI as syntax, the rules of English are not followed. The responses do not 'sound' human.
Humidification, airway suctioning, and passive ROM/repositioning vented patients are routine nursing procedures to manage secretions, maintain airways and skin integrity. Anyone perform any of these interventions?
"replies read as if generated by a bot or AI as syntax, the rules of English are not followed. The responses do not 'sound' human."
It's interesting you say that, because the man appears to go by two names and appears to somehow live a double-life. The first name is "Dr Frocester", shown on a piece of mail that was posted and also his username, the second is 'Dr Dave Windsor'. There's many photos of him tending to sheep during the daytime (also with at least two dogs), which... surely isn't possible if he's a full time ICU consultant?
I didn't remark on it in article because it was too speculative and vague, but if a medical professional thinks his words are artificial, it adds weight there's something wrong.
"Anyone perform any of these interventions?"
The issue of hydration does not seem to have been broached by the ICU world. On Twitter only one gentlemen who works on 'lung health' responded to the article that they had to keep secretions low (implying the dehydration was acceptable? He wasn't direct so I could only infer).
I asked him (purely as a curious question, not as medical suggestion) why anti-secretion drugs weren't administered instead of dehydrating the patient? I got no response. I also invited him to leave comments on this article to encourage wider discussion, but he appears not to have taken it up.
Judging by the literature I've read (but as a non-expert), it seems ICU prefers to keep patients on the very low end of hydration (if at all; sometimes dipping below acceptable levels), and does not generally engage - as far as C19 patients are concerned - in preventative water loss measures.
If I understand correctly, the dehydration is only promoted if there is ventilator-style inserts? What's curious is the C19 studies on hypernatraemia don't mention if patients were or were not ventilated; it would be curious to see if it occurred without ventilation because the use-case justification would be gone and would imply abuse.
I think capacity has to be managed in an ICU so managers may have a strong desire to clear patients out of the ICU. Death by dehydration is a way to do this. That would be unacceptable as an explicit policy, so it would need to be done with a nod and a wink instead.
The irony is dehydration appears to greatly extend ICU stays. What's surprising is it seems to be common, has happened for decades, but this is the first I've ever seen or heard anything of it.
Seems, from the article, that supplying bags with a lower sodium content would make the issue go away. Why have bags with a higher than safe sodium level that then have to be watered down?
The bags are one part of the puzzle; there's also the dehumidifying effect of ventilators, and sweat prevention of air conditioners.
I do advocate for the bags to be more finely tuned, it would require a major overhaul of the current supply system (0.9% and 0.45% bags are common worldwide), as well as re-training, and thus I would not expect it to come into effect soon, hence the ad hoc proposal.
It would be like me asking for over-the-counter painkillers to be reduced by two tablets; changing the manufacturing process end-to-end (reshaping the containers, adjusting the mixtures, relabelling the products, withdrawing the pre-existing products, advising the customers/receivers/suppliers/insurance companies that their old orders can no longer be fulfilled, etc), is a surprisingly mammoth undertaking.
There would be also no doubt resistance from 'old school' medical professionals who are unfamiliar with the subtle differences in mmol/L, who have been taught that 0.9% saline is the way, and some may even fight the change tooth and nail because it would implicate either incompetence or malice (read: legal risks). Some hospitals may still actively choose 0.9% and 0.45% bags even if a better ratio was available.
That is why I propose the 3 to 1 mixture as an interim. It allows doctors to fix the issue now whilst the mammoth supply chain system slowly pivots. Even a fully cooperative system would take a year+ to overhaul, and even then that won't reach every portion, area or organisation.
Hi Geoff mid November 2nd 2021 my mum had hear 2nd Pfizer shot by February she was admitted to hospital with lower limb weakness, symptomatic hypercalcaemia and was dehydrated and suffered severe delirium in hospital , passed away in October of stroke and rapid onset dementia after never regaining her health - endotoxin?
Thanks Geoff just curious would a previous adverse reaction to atorvastatin be likely to increase the chance of an adverse reaction? I understand that it's so complex and we are just talking generalisations
Stop taking atorvastatin and contact 111 or call your doctor if:
you get unexplained muscle pain, tenderness, weakness or cramps – these can be signs of muscle breakdown and kidney damage
the whites of your eyes turn yellow, or your skin turns yellow, although this may be less obvious on brown or black skin, or if you have pale poo and dark pee – these can be signs of liver problems
you get a skin rash with pink or red blotches, especially on the palms of your hands or soles of your feet – this could be a sign of erythema multiforme
you have severe stomach pain – this can be a sign of acute pancreatitis
you have a cough, feel short of breath, and are losing weight – this can be a sign of lung disease
I remember a soldier in the Iraq (?) war that was investigated, charged, found guilty and imprisoned for helping a mortally wounded enemy combatant to “shuffle of this mortal coil” ... he was a professional, should have known better and hadn’t, so far as i know, sworn to not kill anyone.
I find it interesting if a soldier does it, they get charged, but if a nurse does it in a care home to the elderly, it's par for the course and most of the public seem to ignore it.
My point exactly
There was a film mention of "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?"
A remarkable piece of research. Thank you.
'Dave' @drfrocesters replies read as if generated by a bot or AI as syntax, the rules of English are not followed. The responses do not 'sound' human.
Humidification, airway suctioning, and passive ROM/repositioning vented patients are routine nursing procedures to manage secretions, maintain airways and skin integrity. Anyone perform any of these interventions?
"replies read as if generated by a bot or AI as syntax, the rules of English are not followed. The responses do not 'sound' human."
It's interesting you say that, because the man appears to go by two names and appears to somehow live a double-life. The first name is "Dr Frocester", shown on a piece of mail that was posted and also his username, the second is 'Dr Dave Windsor'. There's many photos of him tending to sheep during the daytime (also with at least two dogs), which... surely isn't possible if he's a full time ICU consultant?
I didn't remark on it in article because it was too speculative and vague, but if a medical professional thinks his words are artificial, it adds weight there's something wrong.
"Anyone perform any of these interventions?"
The issue of hydration does not seem to have been broached by the ICU world. On Twitter only one gentlemen who works on 'lung health' responded to the article that they had to keep secretions low (implying the dehydration was acceptable? He wasn't direct so I could only infer).
I asked him (purely as a curious question, not as medical suggestion) why anti-secretion drugs weren't administered instead of dehydrating the patient? I got no response. I also invited him to leave comments on this article to encourage wider discussion, but he appears not to have taken it up.
Judging by the literature I've read (but as a non-expert), it seems ICU prefers to keep patients on the very low end of hydration (if at all; sometimes dipping below acceptable levels), and does not generally engage - as far as C19 patients are concerned - in preventative water loss measures.
If I understand correctly, the dehydration is only promoted if there is ventilator-style inserts? What's curious is the C19 studies on hypernatraemia don't mention if patients were or were not ventilated; it would be curious to see if it occurred without ventilation because the use-case justification would be gone and would imply abuse.
I think capacity has to be managed in an ICU so managers may have a strong desire to clear patients out of the ICU. Death by dehydration is a way to do this. That would be unacceptable as an explicit policy, so it would need to be done with a nod and a wink instead.
The irony is dehydration appears to greatly extend ICU stays. What's surprising is it seems to be common, has happened for decades, but this is the first I've ever seen or heard anything of it.
Seems, from the article, that supplying bags with a lower sodium content would make the issue go away. Why have bags with a higher than safe sodium level that then have to be watered down?
The bags are one part of the puzzle; there's also the dehumidifying effect of ventilators, and sweat prevention of air conditioners.
I do advocate for the bags to be more finely tuned, it would require a major overhaul of the current supply system (0.9% and 0.45% bags are common worldwide), as well as re-training, and thus I would not expect it to come into effect soon, hence the ad hoc proposal.
It would be like me asking for over-the-counter painkillers to be reduced by two tablets; changing the manufacturing process end-to-end (reshaping the containers, adjusting the mixtures, relabelling the products, withdrawing the pre-existing products, advising the customers/receivers/suppliers/insurance companies that their old orders can no longer be fulfilled, etc), is a surprisingly mammoth undertaking.
There would be also no doubt resistance from 'old school' medical professionals who are unfamiliar with the subtle differences in mmol/L, who have been taught that 0.9% saline is the way, and some may even fight the change tooth and nail because it would implicate either incompetence or malice (read: legal risks). Some hospitals may still actively choose 0.9% and 0.45% bags even if a better ratio was available.
That is why I propose the 3 to 1 mixture as an interim. It allows doctors to fix the issue now whilst the mammoth supply chain system slowly pivots. Even a fully cooperative system would take a year+ to overhaul, and even then that won't reach every portion, area or organisation.
Endotoxin (Lipopolysaccharide, LPS), in Covid19 Jabs induces Sickness Behaviour, reduces Thirst and Sodium Excretion, and Sodium Appetite.
https://geoffpain.substack.com/p/diarrhoea-and-vomiting-brought-to
De Luca et al. 2015. Participation of α2-adrenoceptors in sodium appetite inhibition during sickness behaviour following administration of lipopolysaccharide. https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1113/JP270377
Hi Geoff mid November 2nd 2021 my mum had hear 2nd Pfizer shot by February she was admitted to hospital with lower limb weakness, symptomatic hypercalcaemia and was dehydrated and suffered severe delirium in hospital , passed away in October of stroke and rapid onset dementia after never regaining her health - endotoxin?
So sorry to hear of your loss. Yes, all of those symptons match known mechanisms of Endotoxin damage.
Stroke is understood
https://geoffpain.substack.com/p/endotoxins-in-pfizer-jabs-mimic-nickel
Nerve damage
https://geoffpain.substack.com/p/guillain-barre-syndrome-expected
Thanks Geoff just curious would a previous adverse reaction to atorvastatin be likely to increase the chance of an adverse reaction? I understand that it's so complex and we are just talking generalisations
UK official advice on this Fluoro-aromatic nasty
Stop taking atorvastatin and contact 111 or call your doctor if:
you get unexplained muscle pain, tenderness, weakness or cramps – these can be signs of muscle breakdown and kidney damage
the whites of your eyes turn yellow, or your skin turns yellow, although this may be less obvious on brown or black skin, or if you have pale poo and dark pee – these can be signs of liver problems
you get a skin rash with pink or red blotches, especially on the palms of your hands or soles of your feet – this could be a sign of erythema multiforme
you have severe stomach pain – this can be a sign of acute pancreatitis
you have a cough, feel short of breath, and are losing weight – this can be a sign of lung disease
https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/atorvastatin/side-effects-of-atorvastatin/
OMG ticking many boxes, weakness, skin rash, change in liver function and weight loss, thanks for the info
Globaly, dear friend.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X6xdUZXjaE-6TdEyGX_40d2DleAsN3BU/view
If you find the time. You asked if you can work with this text. :-)
Very interesting and timely as we are all discussing VITT over here https://twitter.com/FluoridePoison
sharing now.
So much to unpack here but I keep working at it. Impressive work, UD.
In America, the military had to help at nursing homes under the guise of covid testing. Probably, a lot of nurses and orderlies stayed home in fear. Why would they risk their lives for a low paying job? It seems obvious that panic killed. https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/Article/2147148/mass-guard-conducts-covid-19-testing-at-nursing-homes/