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The literature and knowledge base of the vaccine-risk-aware (red-pilled) and the it-must-be-safe crowd (blue pilled) is diverging. Thus a lot of articles that we may find interesting and insightful are unreadable gobbledygook by the normies. Looks like the Underdog is onto a very fruitful approach here, a readable article that bridges the gap. Does anyone else think that the “save lives” post is easy and comfortable to share and discuss with the safe-and-effective group? At what point in the article will their minds start to reject the germ of a new idea? Looks like most people could get pretty far in, at least.

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I asked a couple of friends to refer it to a few people on the 'other side', and one gave the article praise, although I'm not sure if they read through to the end conclusion - which is one risk I did not anticipate.

I'd greatly appreciate any feedback on issues, rejection or 'stopping points' people experience so those sections can be better smoothed over, as it is very difficult for me to see it from their perspective despite my best efforts.

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Nov 7, 2022Liked by The Underdog

I never heard that Kirsch wrote a single word in the book. I think he is just promoting it and has developed some sort of relationship with the authors. They have made common cause by bashing the Western vaccine program.

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I do not believe I said he had. I've edited in a clarification because it appears my generalised use of possession ('his book'; he owns a copy, is promoting it and is financially backing finding errors in it) is being conflated with authorship (which I would have said 'the book he authored').

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The Turtles book was written several years ago in the Hebrew language by anonymous authors (published 2019), and was translated into English in 2022 through a Children's Health Defense effort. It was already titled and so, as I understand it, the English version's title is a translation of the original title from Hebrew. Steve Kirsch and his organization had nothing to do with the publication of this book. He was favorably impressed by it, however, and has been promoting it.

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This is a good insight. The fact the book isn't updated to cover the current handling by the governments 2020-2021 is a missed opportunity, I think.

It wasn't clear to me if the book was truly authored by Kirsch, I use the phrase 'his book' as he's financially seeking to defend it and has been promoting it eagerly, so I use it in general here. I hope I have not errored by saying he authored it in the article, if I have I will have to issue a correction.

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Since it was originally written in Hebrew by author(s) unknown, rumored to be medical professionals, it is unlikely that Kirsch authored it since he does not speak Hebrew. Additionally, the 2019 publication occurred prior to Kirsch's awakening regarding vaccines. He took two doses of the C-19 shot in early 2021 and only afterwards realized his mistake.

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Nov 7, 2022Liked by The Underdog

Do you mean by "his book" that Steve Kirsch is the anonymous authors?

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It is a book he promotes, per the article link. It isn't clear to me whether he or someone else is the author. I say 'his' because he's putting up the financial collateral to cover the book, so I assume he has some stake in it.

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Nov 8, 2022·edited Nov 8, 2022Liked by The Underdog

I think he just likes it a lot and wants to verify it so he can use it as evidence.

Personally, I think "Neither Safe Nor Effective: The Evidence Against the COVID Vaccines, by Dr. Colleen Huber is another great book to use as evidence - it's well backed up with studies and only 10 bucks. I've "sent as gift" to some hospital administrators. If I had a million bucks I'd would send it to 100,000 people.

https://www.amazon.com/Neither-Safe-Nor-Effective-Evidence/dp/B0B1C1F5HB

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Not that it is necessarily in the same quality range (it does come with citations, however), you're more than welcome to download, copy, and redistribute my COVID-19 questions document:

https://gitlab.com/TheUnderdog/general-research/-/tree/main/COVID-19-Shot-Questions/Revision-4-1

Obviously you'd have to cover printing costs (you might want to invest in one of those 'tank' printers where you can top up the tank fluid levels. One example is Canon's EcoTank printer. They cost more to buy, but if you're doing a lot of ink printing it is cheaper in bulk as you can buy unofficial ink bottles online), but I imagine it'd be cheaper to print in bulk and distribute that, than to buy profit-margin books+delivery costs.

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Nov 8, 2022Liked by The Underdog

I would probably find a Print Shop with a deal but I'm not a big fan of inkjet, I have laser printers. The B&W one is pretty low-cost. Thanks, gave a quick look-see will have to look at it more later.

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Steve y r a god send. How can anyone ever thank you for being such a great person?

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RemovedNov 8, 2022·edited Nov 8, 2022Liked by The Underdog
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I'm going to admit I'm no saint. It is incredibly difficult not to get angry, annoyed or frustrated - even when you know it is ignorance driving a lot of people's reasoning, or even underlying psychological issues. You feel like you want to shout at them saying 'why are you being so stupid?!' and in private I've expressed this frustration.

However, the cool, calm rationalisation approach - even sometimes humour (although I avoid it often as it can seem condescending) helps massively. I used the small request to ask one person to wait one month to see what happens before they got the shot, and I hoped to God they caught wind of bad news relating to the shot - one of their family member's girlfriends had a seizure after having the shot. It was enough to dissuade them.

Did you know Dr John Campbell was originally pro-vaccine? I can't conclusively prove I had any influence, but I published two obscure rebuttal videos:

https://www.brighteon.com/4d24dbca-7058-48d1-ab24-3eabf4307ee0

https://www.brighteon.com/75b4eace-6823-4ff0-8c00-3efb9a3e6bff

Shortly after those videos I noticed his stance began to slowly change. I'm not sure if two obscure videos with a handful of views ever reached him, but I like to think maybe it did.

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