There's also about 4,500 deaths over a year after the fatality waiting just to be registered due to coroner investigations. These have doubled in the past few years. That's not the only way deaths can fail to be registered so I wonder if ONS even presents the real number of deaths??
But go to 12:40 ish, if you do not watch the full minutes and you can the reduction in figures as stated above for 2023. Reduced the excess deaths since 2020 by over 31,000.
I'm no statistician, heck I barely got a CSE (yep I'm over 51) in maths, but my bullshitter sense is highly tuned. As soon as any official organisation says we now have a new method my nose starts twitching. As for twitter fiddling numbers a tweet tagging musk can't do any harm... can it?
There may be an innocent explanation for this. According to Statista there were 70,000 more live births in 1947 than in 1946. It seems 1947 was a record year for live births, possibly due to soldiers returning home from the war after some years absence.
Therefore there would be a lot more people moving from the 70-74 category into the 75-79 category in 2022.
You've bought into the red herring my friend. Doesn't matter how they shuffle the age groups, excess deaths has always been from all age groups.
No innocent explanations.
The year of increase was 2021, not 2022. And there's no 10% increase in any other categories in prior years.
In-fact, over the 5 year period, there's been an 8% drop in that age group.
Statista do not make their sources public for scrutiny and are deemed an unreliable source. Besides, live births does not factor in migration, and neither are relevant to *mortality*, which has nothing to do with age but total count of deaths.
I should have made it clear that I was responding to Clare Craig’s point, not your analysis. Her chart is clearly labelled 2022 v 2021. Therefore the people reaching the age of 75 in 2022 (ie born in 1947) moved from the 70-74 category to the 75-79 category. The fact that the 70-74 category shows a decline backs this up somewhat.
I always question as well, not because I am doubtful of what is stated, but we need to cover all the potential reasons - otherwise our position can be ripped apart and we will be mocked.
Unfortunately knowing what we know from the last few years; we should not trust our government to give us accurate information as far as I can throw them.
There's also about 4,500 deaths over a year after the fatality waiting just to be registered due to coroner investigations. These have doubled in the past few years. That's not the only way deaths can fail to be registered so I wonder if ONS even presents the real number of deaths??
Skewered them. Bravo. Woof
Yes UK Column brought the same topic up. You can see a confirmation of the above and some more figures if you start at 11:24 on here:
- https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-21st-february-2024
But go to 12:40 ish, if you do not watch the full minutes and you can the reduction in figures as stated above for 2023. Reduced the excess deaths since 2020 by over 31,000.
UK Column are one of my more preferred outlets.
I'm no statistician, heck I barely got a CSE (yep I'm over 51) in maths, but my bullshitter sense is highly tuned. As soon as any official organisation says we now have a new method my nose starts twitching. As for twitter fiddling numbers a tweet tagging musk can't do any harm... can it?
There may be an innocent explanation for this. According to Statista there were 70,000 more live births in 1947 than in 1946. It seems 1947 was a record year for live births, possibly due to soldiers returning home from the war after some years absence.
Therefore there would be a lot more people moving from the 70-74 category into the 75-79 category in 2022.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281965/live-births-in-the-united-kingdom-uk-1931-1960/
You've bought into the red herring my friend. Doesn't matter how they shuffle the age groups, excess deaths has always been from all age groups.
No innocent explanations.
The year of increase was 2021, not 2022. And there's no 10% increase in any other categories in prior years.
In-fact, over the 5 year period, there's been an 8% drop in that age group.
Statista do not make their sources public for scrutiny and are deemed an unreliable source. Besides, live births does not factor in migration, and neither are relevant to *mortality*, which has nothing to do with age but total count of deaths.
I should have made it clear that I was responding to Clare Craig’s point, not your analysis. Her chart is clearly labelled 2022 v 2021. Therefore the people reaching the age of 75 in 2022 (ie born in 1947) moved from the 70-74 category to the 75-79 category. The fact that the 70-74 category shows a decline backs this up somewhat.
I always question as well, not because I am doubtful of what is stated, but we need to cover all the potential reasons - otherwise our position can be ripped apart and we will be mocked.
Unfortunately knowing what we know from the last few years; we should not trust our government to give us accurate information as far as I can throw them.