A fascinating read. There's no money to be made from these time-proven drugs so they get suppressed. Cytokine management is always an interesting topic. Managing inflammation is key to making it through an agressive infection. Its rather mind blowing how nature provides a solution but the "crafted" treatment is what is pushed. Ventilators and remdesivir over HCQ and Ivermectin. You know the fix is in when doctors are being prosecuted for prescribing off-label.
Quinine in the form of concentrated Tonic mix (to be added to soda water) has been in my staple cold/flu treatment mix for years.
And it works, seems my body is particularly responsive to this quinine hit when attacked by viruses. I can actually feel it working to reduce the aches and fever.
If you can't handle a dose of the conc stuff, normal, decent quality Tonic is palatable, and effective, but I find I need about 500ml of Normal tonic vs 1 shot of conc tonic.
It's interesting about the K channels. I wonder if that's why quinine is also used for muscle cramps. My mom used it before for that purpose. The story of HCQ relates to me and my mom's experience when we got COVID19 back in Nov 2020, where our symptoms and severity greatly differed; and we can trace it back to another family associate and their family who also experienced varying severity.
For me it was very mild although I did loose my sense of smell for a month afterward (with clear sinuses btw), but it was quite severe for my senior mom who developed mild pneumonia and had very prolonged high fever. She was only prescribed azithromycin and another antibiotic and sent back home (although to be fair, that likely did help as well). I knew I had to seek treatment outside of our mainstream hospital system that we have insurance with, and I used HCQ as a "proxy" search term to find doctors who would be suitable. By that time, HCQ had been demonized and doctors found in the news who prescribed it or used it themselves before in Spring to Summer 2020 would no longer do so. I was getting very worried and really scrambling and finally found an "alternative" doctor but still licensed MD that could help. It was already beyond the window for HCQ to be effective by the time she got help, although we did try anyways, as she was already starting to recover from the fever but then had suffered from excruciating, debilitating headaches. It seems to have been some brain inflammation that I read about some people suffering too. Luckily, the alternative MD we found who had treated many patients by that time was very familiar with the symptom and immediately prescribed a steroid, dexamethasone. She only took it for 3 days that's what really helped my mom, quickly and completely stopped the headaches and turned everything around for full recovery. The whole idea of taming the inflammation cited in your article as one of the functions of quinine/HCQ (why it's used for some autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis) seems to relate to my mom's fortunate recovery with steroid.
Interestingly, it was during this time we spoke to a family friend who himself had his family members become sick with COVID19 in Peru. And he had recommended us to take Ivermectin back then as that's what his family used in Peru, way before it was demonized as horse paste.
A fascinating read. There's no money to be made from these time-proven drugs so they get suppressed. Cytokine management is always an interesting topic. Managing inflammation is key to making it through an agressive infection. Its rather mind blowing how nature provides a solution but the "crafted" treatment is what is pushed. Ventilators and remdesivir over HCQ and Ivermectin. You know the fix is in when doctors are being prosecuted for prescribing off-label.
Quinine in the form of concentrated Tonic mix (to be added to soda water) has been in my staple cold/flu treatment mix for years.
And it works, seems my body is particularly responsive to this quinine hit when attacked by viruses. I can actually feel it working to reduce the aches and fever.
If you can't handle a dose of the conc stuff, normal, decent quality Tonic is palatable, and effective, but I find I need about 500ml of Normal tonic vs 1 shot of conc tonic.
Good advice! I’ve never seen the concentrate for sale before…where are you getting yours?
Most liquor shops have some in their mixer section. there a few brands to choose.
Thanks. I’ll be checking on that asap.
It's interesting about the K channels. I wonder if that's why quinine is also used for muscle cramps. My mom used it before for that purpose. The story of HCQ relates to me and my mom's experience when we got COVID19 back in Nov 2020, where our symptoms and severity greatly differed; and we can trace it back to another family associate and their family who also experienced varying severity.
For me it was very mild although I did loose my sense of smell for a month afterward (with clear sinuses btw), but it was quite severe for my senior mom who developed mild pneumonia and had very prolonged high fever. She was only prescribed azithromycin and another antibiotic and sent back home (although to be fair, that likely did help as well). I knew I had to seek treatment outside of our mainstream hospital system that we have insurance with, and I used HCQ as a "proxy" search term to find doctors who would be suitable. By that time, HCQ had been demonized and doctors found in the news who prescribed it or used it themselves before in Spring to Summer 2020 would no longer do so. I was getting very worried and really scrambling and finally found an "alternative" doctor but still licensed MD that could help. It was already beyond the window for HCQ to be effective by the time she got help, although we did try anyways, as she was already starting to recover from the fever but then had suffered from excruciating, debilitating headaches. It seems to have been some brain inflammation that I read about some people suffering too. Luckily, the alternative MD we found who had treated many patients by that time was very familiar with the symptom and immediately prescribed a steroid, dexamethasone. She only took it for 3 days that's what really helped my mom, quickly and completely stopped the headaches and turned everything around for full recovery. The whole idea of taming the inflammation cited in your article as one of the functions of quinine/HCQ (why it's used for some autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis) seems to relate to my mom's fortunate recovery with steroid.
Interestingly, it was during this time we spoke to a family friend who himself had his family members become sick with COVID19 in Peru. And he had recommended us to take Ivermectin back then as that's what his family used in Peru, way before it was demonized as horse paste.
Just dropping this here:
"Mayo Clinic Website Now Says Hydroxychloroquine CAN Be Used to Treat COVID-19 Patients, Previously Claimed It Was Not Effective"
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/mayo-clinic-website-now-says-hydroxychloroquine-can-be/
I guess Mayo Clinic read The Daily Beagle?