Kanye had put himself forward on, I guess, a Conservative platform? But it is difficult to scry what his intents are given he's all over the place. Ironically, I had no interest in the man until after Elon tried to suggest the symbol was 'inciting violence', which sets an uncomfortable precedent.
If I post an article with an Antifa symbol as the thumbnail, am I inciting violence? What if I depict a Swastika for a historical article? (I've done this intentionally with this article using an image from the research to see how Twitter reacts).
Apparently Elon thinks he can mind read the intents of an image. Kanye has a history of saying things that sound controversial, but then ultimately doing nothing. It's hard to anticipate anything he does as pro-violence. I think Elon did it out of peer pressure and fear for his own platform's reputation, which to me strikes as being selfish, and is going to backfire when the truth will out.
Thanks for researching this. I knew Kanye was most likely getting railroaded because when does the media report anything accurately, and now I know for sure.
A couple of points - I didn't read your article fully. I often disagree with your assertions, and read all your articles. That said, I am a proud, kippa wearing Jew, and I fully support Kanye. He's almost 100% right.
Thank you so much for the full story in context. It changes everything. Even most in Alt-media had not really bothered to dig into this beyond the bites and quotes as you did and had the same knee-jerk reaction as their left wing counterparts
BTW it's sad that the Internet or Web Archive (archive.org) is not the true archive they purport to be. I already knew they censored from a while back, with them blocking Mercola's website as one other example.
But if you're not familiar with it, there is a crowdsourced alternative: https://archive.today, which usually redirects to some other country domain mirror such as archive.ph or archive.is. There's no bot that crawls pages like the Web Archive and instead if relies on users creating snapshots from their own browser session, for which they'll then archive. No censorship there as far as I know.. and it ventures into the grey area of getting around paywalls as well as preventing the original sites to get ad money or traffic.
I've tried archive.is - they used to be my 'go to' archive site, but they've recently started blanking pages so nothing shows (if you try the sun-sentinel article you'll likely see it is blank). I don't recall if I also archived a copy of Torba's post there (I think I did, but I've given archive.is the benefit of the doubt as I'm not sure), but it reports there is no copy of Torba's post archived at all.
It is extremely difficult these days to ensure the continuity of controversial but important information. I did also want to upload the InfoWars segment to either Substack or Brighteon, but it would be one of the rare instances of valid copyright issues (fair use is 30 seconds or less of audio; the segment is over 2 minutes and 30 seconds long). I could have applied 'transformative use' but it would have required redundant commentary.
As for alt-media, I concur they dropped the ball on this one. Either they were too afraid to contradict the 'popular' narrative, or they were too lazy to do real reporting, either way, they dropped the ball. It is precisely these situations you'll see The Daily Beagle shine.
I wonder in some cases if ti's geoblocking due to UK laws from either ISPs or archive.is themselves. From what I understand and others have reported for some time, Bitchute also has to censor by region including UK for some things available in the US.
For Gab, I don't see the Torba's deleted post but I do see many others archived there:
Interesting. You're right, it is no longer blank. I do file reports every time I encounter blank pages, but I see them extremely often.
I avoid the snapshots of images on archive.is because they cut off at a certain point, and I know people will want the full context where possible.
I've experienced other weirdness too. Google translate won't translate Strana Today for me (literally leaves the page untranslated), however for a friend it still translates. So I wonder if I'm getting the guinea pig treatment, this time for shadow ban tools.
Proxies and alt IPs don't work for me either, so if it is some sort of virtual shadow ban, it is some sophisticated tech.
Yeah, I don't doubt such incidents. I did get server error messages on pages I had saved on archive.is before until I messaged the admin on the question form. Then it was resolved a couple days later.
I don't know if you tried this already sibce a regular web proxy is different, but best I can suggest is to try a VPN with different locations and fresh browser session--either clear cookies or use private browsing/incognito mode. There are some recommended free VPNs such as Proton and Windscribe
Also, I live under a rock. Please could you explain what an EAS noise and an Amber alert are? I truly do not know. Probably one of the only things I have in common with Kanye!
As you're in Britain you won't be familiar. An EAS is the 'Emergency Alert System', and all TV stations and services in the US are required to host it; it is audibly signaled by the EAS noise. This isn't a proper EAS, however, as 1) it's an online video, and 2) there's no corresponding EAS message.
An Amber alert is basically a 'missing child' alert, and is a call prompting people to help search for missing children (see: https://amberalert.ojp.gov/). To my knowledge, an EAS is not used for Amber alerts, however that could be my cultural ignorance of America showing.
The UK does not really have any sort of similar system for Amber alert. EAS would be closest to the 'emergency broadcast' interruption you might see during TV programs (not that has ever been invoked), or that annoying technicality placard interrupt sound you might hear.
Basically, it'd be like if Lenny Henry said he had no idea who "the Met" were, or didn't know what 'Scotland Yard' referred to. Contrast it to the fact Kanye expresses opposition to sex trafficking, so you'd think he'd be familiar with what an Amber alert is. Very unusual all around.
Thanks for your research. It seems not long ago that liberals were suggesting he run for President.
Kanye had put himself forward on, I guess, a Conservative platform? But it is difficult to scry what his intents are given he's all over the place. Ironically, I had no interest in the man until after Elon tried to suggest the symbol was 'inciting violence', which sets an uncomfortable precedent.
If I post an article with an Antifa symbol as the thumbnail, am I inciting violence? What if I depict a Swastika for a historical article? (I've done this intentionally with this article using an image from the research to see how Twitter reacts).
Apparently Elon thinks he can mind read the intents of an image. Kanye has a history of saying things that sound controversial, but then ultimately doing nothing. It's hard to anticipate anything he does as pro-violence. I think Elon did it out of peer pressure and fear for his own platform's reputation, which to me strikes as being selfish, and is going to backfire when the truth will out.
*precedent
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Thanks for researching this. I knew Kanye was most likely getting railroaded because when does the media report anything accurately, and now I know for sure.
A couple of points - I didn't read your article fully. I often disagree with your assertions, and read all your articles. That said, I am a proud, kippa wearing Jew, and I fully support Kanye. He's almost 100% right.
I appreciate you read my articles even if you disagree with them. Sort of reminds me of this scene in Star Trek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrfTLNUsqRc
Lol - I part time sell a drink called https://www.tubi60.com/ - people love it or hate it and it sometimes gets this response!
Thank you for writing this ❤️
What confuses me is why are AJ and Musk apparently on the same page on this one?
To explain that I would need to dive into the world of 'controlled opposition', but it would be too deep a dive for this article.
Thank you so much for the full story in context. It changes everything. Even most in Alt-media had not really bothered to dig into this beyond the bites and quotes as you did and had the same knee-jerk reaction as their left wing counterparts
BTW it's sad that the Internet or Web Archive (archive.org) is not the true archive they purport to be. I already knew they censored from a while back, with them blocking Mercola's website as one other example.
But if you're not familiar with it, there is a crowdsourced alternative: https://archive.today, which usually redirects to some other country domain mirror such as archive.ph or archive.is. There's no bot that crawls pages like the Web Archive and instead if relies on users creating snapshots from their own browser session, for which they'll then archive. No censorship there as far as I know.. and it ventures into the grey area of getting around paywalls as well as preventing the original sites to get ad money or traffic.
I've tried archive.is - they used to be my 'go to' archive site, but they've recently started blanking pages so nothing shows (if you try the sun-sentinel article you'll likely see it is blank). I don't recall if I also archived a copy of Torba's post there (I think I did, but I've given archive.is the benefit of the doubt as I'm not sure), but it reports there is no copy of Torba's post archived at all.
It is extremely difficult these days to ensure the continuity of controversial but important information. I did also want to upload the InfoWars segment to either Substack or Brighteon, but it would be one of the rare instances of valid copyright issues (fair use is 30 seconds or less of audio; the segment is over 2 minutes and 30 seconds long). I could have applied 'transformative use' but it would have required redundant commentary.
As for alt-media, I concur they dropped the ball on this one. Either they were too afraid to contradict the 'popular' narrative, or they were too lazy to do real reporting, either way, they dropped the ball. It is precisely these situations you'll see The Daily Beagle shine.
Hmm.. archive.is does have a recent snapshot of the sun-sentinel page and it shows the symbol for me:
https://archive.ph/F2wLk
This is the direct link to the image on their snapshot: https://archive.ph/F2wLk/cf7e4ae61a531c56ce9adc12097bd03c00953257.webp
can you access that url?
I wonder in some cases if ti's geoblocking due to UK laws from either ISPs or archive.is themselves. From what I understand and others have reported for some time, Bitchute also has to censor by region including UK for some things available in the US.
For Gab, I don't see the Torba's deleted post but I do see many others archived there:
https://archive.ph/gab.com
such as this originally from: https://gab.com/Breitnigge8816/posts/109463048250693327
https://archive.ph/kTTuT
which does show the thread with the Raelian symbol for me
Interesting. You're right, it is no longer blank. I do file reports every time I encounter blank pages, but I see them extremely often.
I avoid the snapshots of images on archive.is because they cut off at a certain point, and I know people will want the full context where possible.
I've experienced other weirdness too. Google translate won't translate Strana Today for me (literally leaves the page untranslated), however for a friend it still translates. So I wonder if I'm getting the guinea pig treatment, this time for shadow ban tools.
Proxies and alt IPs don't work for me either, so if it is some sort of virtual shadow ban, it is some sophisticated tech.
Yeah, I don't doubt such incidents. I did get server error messages on pages I had saved on archive.is before until I messaged the admin on the question form. Then it was resolved a couple days later.
I don't know if you tried this already sibce a regular web proxy is different, but best I can suggest is to try a VPN with different locations and fresh browser session--either clear cookies or use private browsing/incognito mode. There are some recommended free VPNs such as Proton and Windscribe
Also, I live under a rock. Please could you explain what an EAS noise and an Amber alert are? I truly do not know. Probably one of the only things I have in common with Kanye!
As you're in Britain you won't be familiar. An EAS is the 'Emergency Alert System', and all TV stations and services in the US are required to host it; it is audibly signaled by the EAS noise. This isn't a proper EAS, however, as 1) it's an online video, and 2) there's no corresponding EAS message.
An Amber alert is basically a 'missing child' alert, and is a call prompting people to help search for missing children (see: https://amberalert.ojp.gov/). To my knowledge, an EAS is not used for Amber alerts, however that could be my cultural ignorance of America showing.
The UK does not really have any sort of similar system for Amber alert. EAS would be closest to the 'emergency broadcast' interruption you might see during TV programs (not that has ever been invoked), or that annoying technicality placard interrupt sound you might hear.
Basically, it'd be like if Lenny Henry said he had no idea who "the Met" were, or didn't know what 'Scotland Yard' referred to. Contrast it to the fact Kanye expresses opposition to sex trafficking, so you'd think he'd be familiar with what an Amber alert is. Very unusual all around.